Racer770a
Did this pass. Are 250f not allowed to race the 200 class?
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ktm450dezracer
Yes it did pass.  The 250f is still allowed in the 250 class, the open class, the 4-stroke class and all the age classes.
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Racer770a
That’s stupid. Sorry to say I won’t be racing mrann anymore. Rule makes no sense. Take the smallest class and make it even smaller. Make 250f race against 450 nonsense.
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cmaas
Sign me up!  I'm sure there are a ton of folks out there looking to race their 250f vs. a 450...or is it that the 450's would love to race against a 250f...extremely poor decision.

In addition, the board also ruled to vote out the MRANN Team Race series that provided $13k in revenue to MRANN and MRANN Clubs over the last 2 racing seasons.  That's equivalent to adding 2 full races to the racing schedule without having to actually front the cost of putting on two races or the effort it takes to host them.  It appears the goal now is to reduce the number of racers in MRANN.  Good job because it's working.
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Racer770a
Agreed! Mrann was just starting to get some growth and now is throwing that away slowly but surely. Truly sad. Feel like the vote should have only been from the riders in that class this year not people who don’t care. There were a total of 25 200 riders. Besides over 60 and women the next class which was over 50 has 30 riders. Every other class has more than 30. Makes no sense to make a small class even smaller and have a small bike competing against a bigger bike.
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Searle
This is funny to me.   Never going to race mrann again?  Why do we race?  Is it the thousands of $$$$ purse we win every race day, or the $15 plastic plaque, or to be with our friends and get the adrenaline pumping every now and again and hang out with our desert buddies.  Class change just seams trivial.  Just my two cents.  Race on!!!
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ktm450dezracer
Alright lets get this straight Chris..... the board did not make the decision on the team race being voted out.  It was brought up (like all possible rule changes this year unlike recent years where it was pushed on or just decided).  It was to be taken back to the clubs for them to discuss and then bring back there vote.  It was unanimously passed that the team race was voted out by the clubs.  Not one board member voted on that!  Get your ish straight before you talk smack.  Now if your club reps (if your club would show up to a meeting) went back and told your club what was to be voted on and it was different than what your club decided maybe you should talk with your club.  So how was this the board that caused this?  That decided this?  Go ahead i am waiting.....  Also the team race was not a revenue generator for all clubs.  You are completely wrong there.

The 250F doesn't have to race against 450's..... it can race in the 250 class against a 250.  Hell the overall champion was on a 250F this year so don't tell me it is not a competitive bike.  A 250F against a 125 is stupid.  That is my personal opinion.  But i have no gain or anything for that class.  Hell i have a 350.... should it be in the 250 class then?  No i am not afraid to race it.  Hell i raced the open class.  Its for the fun. Im not a super fast guy but enjoy the diversity in MRANN including WSRA Enduros (Bring them back ha ha)

Again the 250F being removed from the 200 class was brought up by parents in MRANN that have kids in that class (or coming up to that class) in MRANN that had there concerns about it.  I brought it up at the rules committee meeting and it also was put out to a vote to the clubs to be discussed and voted on and brought back to be voted on. Again that was passed.  The board did not just make this rule up (like past boards).  Hell Chris your own club voted for it.

If you want to have a better voice then "Better The Sport And Participate"  that doesn't mean just racing.  That means being an active member in a club.  Clubs being active in MRANN and it's decisions.  Don't sit on a message board and bash MRANN saying your not going to race and this and that.

This is supposed to be for fun.  We are not being payed to race (well most)  Supposed to be about family fun and getting together and enjoying what we all love.  

Robert McAdam or as most know me Bobber
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Racer770a
It is fun. But not when you race against bigger bikes. Not everyone has the talent or speed as the overall champion. It’s the 200 class not the 125 class. And we all know a 200 is faster than a 250f. I’ve always raced the 200 class and never wanted to leave it because I felt right there. A 250 2stroke is faster than a 250f. Change the name of the class to 125. If it’s 150 class they have a half a horse power less than a 250f. It’s just silly. The 200 2stoke shouldn’t be allowed either since they are faster. The 200 class was my home and it’s gone because parents want their kids to win. It’s not worth trying to race because racing bigger bikes makes people ride over their head and get injured. How did all the 125 do in the championship? Just silly. It’s ability not the bike for sure. But most that class is kids starting out on big bikes and that’s their ability. I’m a small guy and have a 450. The reason I race the 200 class is because that class has the dam ability as me.
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ktm450dezracer
2017 ktm 150sx makes 40.6 hp  2017 KTM 250SXF makes 44.3 hp  2017 KTM 250sx makes 47 hp.  A bone stock, stock gearing and all yamaha yz250fx (or whatever it is) does 90+ mph.  No stock 125, 150 or 200 can do that.

So is it really fair that a 125 or 150 has to race a 250f when you are talking the hp ratings?  No not really.  Can't find much on hp for the 2017 200xcw so not sure what it is.  Trust me i remember when kids coming up rode 200's in the class along with Chris and others.  Racing then was a lot larger than what it is now.  Every class had lots of people in it.

If you are out to have fun then moving to the 250 class wouldn't be such a big deal where it is more competitive and with more riders and not cherry picking a class with 2 racers.  Everyone wants to win.  Its not about (well you would hope) that they want there kids to race just get a trophy.  It was not just some parents that decided this rule..... it was clubs of the organization that voted on this rule.  Not 2 or 3 people.

Most of the 125/150s that raced this year were 14&15 year old kids trying to adapt to the larger bike and race course in preparation to race full time on Sunday next year.  I really think that if Reese was on a 125 or 150 or 200 the whole year it would be a different story at some races.  Reese is a bad ass we all know that but a 125 or 150 or 200 is not as competitive as a newer 250f period.
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Racer770a
Stats are wrong. Any stock 200 will wax a 250f. All it truly comes down to is what you said. Mrann used to be big and it’s is slowly building. Now they have taken the SMALLEST class besides over 60 and women’s and made it smaller. There is no logic in it period. Those parents that complain are going to be the same parents that complain that there kid didn’t get a trophy for participating.
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Woodx
Thanks Robert for your input and support on this matter. Look at these other people bitching. Maas , 770 whatever, how long have you been in the 200 class? Chris you’re in 9th OA , I guess it’s hard to change class when you win it every year!!! Give the kids a chance, the 250f can race every class there is in MRANN, Why don’t you guys take a chance in your age group!!! 250 class, open or whatever? I garantee you all would have a different opinion if your kid was in this class. I mean really, Ziggy and Mass. 40+ year old guys in the 200 class!! It’s laughable. Chris I’m really picking on you at this point. You’re 40 with kids. Race your age group, I’m sure you’ll do just fine. You and Riley, my son are the only 2 riders that even qualify for a season trophy. It would be nice for a teenager to get a #1 plate!!!!
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ktm450dezracer
Kewl i guess dyno sheets lie. I dont think a 200 would wax a 250f now. Back in the day yes but not now. If that were the case you would see a lot more 200s than 250f. Like i said previous it was a mrann wide vote that decided this. Randy is not the only one that brought this up to me and others that are non board members. Show up to a mrann meeting and be a club rep and get on the board all to help try to make mrann better not sit on a forum and bash this organization. And it sounds like your the one complaining that you dont get a participation trophy in a more competitive class. And yes the yz250fx does over 90
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Racer770a
Just silly
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Jmcmurray
Who rides a 200 anyway? Sounds like a bunch of people need a whiniken. Is the 200 not a kids class? Bunch of tenth placers getting mad they are in the wrong division. Hahahaha. Braap!
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Chattin
Well. Im 45 and bet your ass im looking for a 150 right now.. or a 200xc.. why not? Who cares how long chris has raced that class..i agree. Its stupid they got the boot but oh well..btw a good runnin 200 is better then a 250f.. now the team race.. it bummed me out huge it got voted out.. it was a money maker. If it was not then why was MRANN standing there with their hand out gettn cash from the clubs per rider.. they could of said. Clubs get to keep the team race money to help offset the race costs but nope
. And 1 last thing. You guys stated that MRANN was for fun right..?? Well the team races were fun but voted out because why???????? I have yet to hear 1 legit reason. ..
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